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3Delight
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RE: Prusa Delays

It would make sense from a Beta testing perspective to send out single and multi head versions, plus some single head one's with a separate set of heads to 'upgrade' too, to test whether the upgrade system works.  I'm sure we'll find out soon how the testing went, remember people have got to give them a thorough going over, send the result back to Prusa, discuss the issues with the developers, make any changes that are needed, update them and retest... etc.  It's not a  case of the Beta Testers will get them and be done in 48 hours, good beta testing takes time.

As for future iterations, it is very rare any product is 100% perfect on sign off day, and new things are always being thought of so bare that in mind.  Also if new types of tool head are developed they will probably be brought out as optional extras rather than upgrades per se.

Just remember the longer they spend perfecting it, the happier you'll be in the end.

Posted : 01/01/2023 8:09 pm
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Win J.
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RE: Prusa Delays

From an external Beta Test perspective you are looking to shake down the entire widget from slicer to end product.  While the tool change capability being important not every field test unit needs to be a tool changer configuration.

Posted : 01/01/2023 9:27 pm
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cjameshuff
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RE: Prusa Delays

A picture or video of a machine with one head is not "every reason to think he only sends one".

Posted : 02/01/2023 3:10 pm
Niklas
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RE: Prusa Delays

First Print is there with a Prusa XL Beta piece. 
Iron Man helm wearable, PETG,  0,32 LH -> 44 Hours... 
Dont know what i should say - i think its quite long and prusa didnt do anything for the speed... :shrug: ... 
I still wait for the new Blogpost too...

Posted : 03/01/2023 4:41 pm
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Georg
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RE: Prusa Delays

 

Posted by: @niklas-2

First Print is there with a Prusa XL Beta piece. 
Iron Man helm wearable, PETG,  0,32 LH -> 44 Hours... 
Dont know what i should say - i think its quite long and prusa didnt do anything for the speed... :shrug: ... 
I still wait for the new Blogpost too...

Source?

Posted : 05/01/2023 1:54 pm
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cwbullet
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Link or doesn't exist? 

Posted by: @niklas-2

First Print is there with a Prusa XL Beta piece. 
Iron Man helm wearable, PETG,  0,32 LH -> 44 Hours... 
Dont know what i should say - i think its quite long and prusa didnt do anything for the speed... :shrug: ... 
I still wait for the new Blogpost too...

 

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Posted : 05/01/2023 1:58 pm
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MileHigh3Der
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Unless someone comes up with some kind of Uber-flow resin, I don’t see anything beyond incremental changes in speed.  A tweak in slicing here, larger nozzles to scale to bigger prints can only do so much

 

Not a twitter guy, but I found this in 45 seconds:

 

https://twitter.com/filamentfrenzy/status/1610052762745675777?s=61&t=ulTwzMgLSBI0H0Zc2PPDwQ

Posted by: @niklas-2

First Print is there with a Prusa XL Beta piece. 
Iron Man helm wearable, PETG,  0,32 LH -> 44 Hours... 
Dont know what i should say - i think its quite long and prusa didnt do anything for the speed... :shrug: ... 
I still wait for the new Blogpost too...

 

This post was modified 1 year ago by MileHigh3Der
Posted : 05/01/2023 1:59 pm
Niklas
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RE: Prusa Delays

Filament Frenzy auf Twitter: „Thought I’d start this year with a bang Printed on the #PrusaXLBeta @prusament PETG jet black #3Dprinting #PrusaSlicer https://t.co/5wK8yXYkqa“ / Twitter

here  -  its existing even for you fanclubmember 😛

Posted : 05/01/2023 2:05 pm
DonCo
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RE: Prusa Delays

I wish they would just say if they have multiple heads on the beta units or not.

Posted : 05/01/2023 3:05 pm
Selta
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RE: Prusa Delays

I imagine the NDA is pretty locked down. Kind of surprised they can even post any details.
44 hours for that seems... slow? Would be nice to know which exact model it was so I could try it with X1C to compare. Hopefully Prusa et. al. can improve on that and the beta is getting them good information for improvements. Maybe we'll see real shipments in a few months??

Posted : 05/01/2023 4:11 pm
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Selta
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RE: Prusa Delays


Try to see what you can from the fuzziness 😀 it really seems like a single head version

Posted : 05/01/2023 4:14 pm
MileHigh3Der
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If I understand correctly, he did it at over .3 mm per layer also, so you would hope it would be faster. But it looks very nice so maybe he was printing thicker layers, but at a slower setting to get the quality or maybe to ensure the quality. It will be interesting to see how fast he could print it. 

 

I guess a single head would still test majority of the components and the new geometry on printing. I still won’t accept a single head model with the promise of more later, not saying it has to have five, but it has to have at least three.

This post was modified 1 year ago by MileHigh3Der
Posted : 05/01/2023 5:11 pm
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Selta
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RE: Prusa Delays

Absolutely agree.

Posted by: @milehigh3der

If I understand correctly, he did it at over .3 mm per layer also, so you would hope it would be faster. But it looks very nice so maybe he was printing thicker layers, but at a slower setting to get the quality or maybe to ensure the quality. It will be interesting to see how fast he could print it. 

 

I guess a single head would still test majority of the components and the new geometry on printing. I still won’t accept a single head model with the promise of more later, not saying it has to have five, but it has to have at least three.

 

Posted : 05/01/2023 5:14 pm
cjameshuff
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Posted by: @selta

Try to see what you can from the fuzziness 😀 it really seems like a single head version

The printers supposedly come in boxes, but this box is empty! Clearly, the printers don't exist at all.

If the printer in the photo only has one head, it means only that the printer in the photo had one head installed. It doesn't mean all testers are only receiving one. It doesn't even mean this tester only received one. For a beta test, it makes sense to send out multiple configurations, and the testers may have to make changes to troubleshoot issues. You're going to see single-headed printers.

Posted : 05/01/2023 5:15 pm
Niklas
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RE: Prusa Delays

Don’t think you can Reprint it with the X1C because the Modell is too big for the bambu… Wisch they had 30^3 instead of 25…

Posted : 05/01/2023 5:16 pm
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Selta
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RE: Prusa Delays

I'm unclear why you quoted me when I didn't say anything about an empty box or what configurations were all sent out. I simply pointed out that there's a fuzzy photo of this particular one in the background and can try to guess from that what this particular person has. Calm down.

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Posted by: @selta

Try to see what you can from the fuzziness 😀 it really seems like a single head version

The printers supposedly come in boxes, but this box is empty! Clearly, the printers don't exist at all.

If the printer in the photo only has one head, it means only that the printer in the photo had one head installed. It doesn't mean all testers are only receiving one. It doesn't even mean this tester only received one. For a beta test, it makes sense to send out multiple configurations, and the testers may have to make changes to troubleshoot issues. You're going to see single-headed printers.

 

Posted : 05/01/2023 5:18 pm
DonCo
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RE: Prusa Delays

There's probably a few of us here that are in the same boat. 

Posted by: @milehigh3der

I still won’t accept a single head model with the promise of more later, not saying it has to have five, but it has to have at least three.

 

Posted : 05/01/2023 5:44 pm
Onishin
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Posted by: @cjameshuff

The printers supposedly come in boxes, but this box is empty! Clearly, the printers don't exist at all.

If the printer in the photo only has one head, it means only that the printer in the photo had one head installed. It doesn't mean all testers are only receiving one. It doesn't even mean this tester only received one. For a beta test, it makes sense to send out multiple configurations, and the testers may have to make changes to troubleshoot issues. You're going to see single-headed printers.

Your reasoning is sophistry

 

No one fly in the photo. There is no reason to think that any of them can fly.

All printers pictured are single head only. There is no reason to think that printers with multiple heads are sent.

I still think there is a problem with the multihead. They never answer the question on the multi-headed subject. And no demonstration of multi-head printing has ever really taken place.For me there will be many tests of the multi head. But in a second step.

 

 

Posted : 05/01/2023 6:36 pm
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MileHigh3Der
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RE: Prusa Delays

I thought I had seen a time lapse of multi material print, and some examples.  There was a video of it swapping heads too.

I could respect the idea that the first ones out are single heads- there are enough things outside of multimaterial capability that they need to validate- but that implies that there might be a second round of Betas to go out with multi heads

Posted by: @onishin

 

Posted by: @cjameshuff

The printers supposedly come in boxes, but this box is empty! Clearly, the printers don't exist at all.

If the printer in the photo only has one head, it means only that the printer in the photo had one head installed. It doesn't mean all testers are only receiving one. It doesn't even mean this tester only received one. For a beta test, it makes sense to send out multiple configurations, and the testers may have to make changes to troubleshoot issues. You're going to see single-headed printers.

Your reasoning is sophistry

 

No one fly in the photo. There is no reason to think that any of them can fly.

All printers pictured are single head only. There is no reason to think that printers with multiple heads are sent.

I still think there is a problem with the multihead. They never answer the question on the multi-headed subject. And no demonstration of multi-head printing has ever really taken place.For me there will be many tests of the multi head. But in a second step.

 

 

 

Posted : 06/01/2023 3:05 pm
Win J.
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RE: Prusa Delays

Prusa XL ERRF 2022 Tool Change

Posted : 06/01/2023 5:03 pm
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